- A great find by Firsa this from Rock Cellar magazine, an interview with producer Steve Berlin in which he gives an insightful account of his time with Faith No More while co-producing Introduce Yourself:
- He says: “I remember back then hearing the beginnings of what was to be Epic, their big hit. They had this odd sense of gestation. A song had to be burned in for a year before we could record it. So they were not at all open to the idea of, “Hey, that’s a cool song — let’s just use it!” Everything they did had to be battle-tested, they were just so adamant about everything being just tight beyond anything rational. Certainly in the ’80s, where tightness really wasn’t in the game for a lot of people. They wanted everything to be just rock solid. I’m talking mind-numbingly solid and tight, which I very much appreciated. It was a healthy attitude they had, I think. They’re very serious about their music and they were incredibly ahead of their time…”
- As Firsa mentions, this perfectionism in their music should be borne in mind when we speculate on new songs and potential new material.
- We should really have focussed more on this at the time but a) I missed this happening live and b) there was a lot of other stuff happening here at the time. But here’s a good video of Mike Patton joining support act Guano Padano at the Hammersmith Apollo show:
- Here is the official video for the song:
- You can pick up the record here
- Tweet of the Day. If anyone can get their hands on Kerrang an send me the review, please do so as I can’t get it in Switzerland.
- [tweet https://twitter.com/_davemclaughlin/status/225523761582059520
- Official Brixton Academy photos of the Faith No More gig on 10 July.
- ©amanda rose
- Hammersmith and Brixton gig official posters are still on sale at the Secret Serpents store.
Uh oh! Correct that I am actually just a liar!
I have the super secret The Real Thing house dance pop remixes that I got from the band before they formed back ’79… which makes me cooler than anyone else.
I wonder is it any coincidence that fnm have done covers of at least 3 of the bands on “youths” butterfly’s record label?
Tom jones,Take That and Dolores O’Riordan
Contest? I think your misinterpreting benrum…
KingCol,
As I corrected myself, the only dance mix I had back in the day was the Chinese Arithmetic one on vinyl…I didn’t own the Anne’s song mixes until later either but heard it at a friend’s house. I was just trying to agree with you on how FNM changed my musical horizons, not trying to make a contest. Sorry if it came off that way…but I do distinctly remember making out with girls in middile school to Enigma in 91 and consider FNM to have opened a door to that for me instead of just headbanging with them to Metallica! A Small Victory mixes upped the uniqueness of their mixes and had an even bigger influence. I also think that putting those mixes out and the Songs To Make Love To was a pushback from the band from getting too lumped into hard rock at the tiime which wasn’t an issue as much in the WCAL and IY days. Pretty cool that a band nominated in the Hard Rock category puts out Das Schutzenfest!
Was actually 2011 they were released.. Not 93
I think the “roddy demos” where actually released later than the “a small victory” remixes…
Not an official release of course..
So maybe benrun u got into dance a bit later than u think seeing as the “greed – dance mix” didnt become avail til 93 , one year after the “small victory – youth mixes”
Remixes
Mosely Era
The Jungle – Different recording 1985
We Care A Lot (Remix) – from a UK WCAL 12″ 1988
Anne’s Song (Remix) – from an ‘International’ Anne’s Song 7″ 1988
Anne’s Song (Dance Mix) – from a UK/International Anne’s Song 12″ 1988
Greed – Different recording
We Care A Lot (Make Love Not War Mix) – from a USA promo WCAL 12″
Chinese Arithmetic (Radio Mix) – from a USA promo WCAL 12″
Chinese Arithmetic (Kick and Scream Mix) – from a USA promo WCAL 12″
Patton Era
From Out Of Nowhere (Remix) – from a UK/International 12″ 1990
Midlife Crisis (Scream Mix) – from doulbe LP of Angel Dust & promo Midlife Crisis CD. 1992
A Small Victory (Remix) – By Matt Wallace 1992
A Small Victory R-Evolution (Full Moon) Mix 1992
A Small Victory Sundown Mix 1992
A Small Victory Sundown Instrumental 1992
A Small Victory (Youth Remix) – from Australian Alternate/B-Sides CD. Same as R-Evolution 23 (Full Moon) Mix 1992
Another Body Murdered (Remix) 1994
Engove (Caffeine) – Appeared on ‘Metallurgy’, nn instrumental remix of Caffeine by Billy Gould. 1995
Digging The Grave (Remix) – from a USA DTG promo CD. 1995
Ashes To Ashes (Automatic 5 Dub) 1997
Ashes To Ashes (Hardknox Horned Hand Mix) 1997
Ashes To Ashes (Dillinja Mix) 1997
Ashes To Ashes (DJ Icey & Maestro Mix) 1997
Ashes To Ashes (Hardknox Alternative Mix) 1997
Ashes To Ashes (Dub Mix) – The same as ‘DJ Icey & Maestro Mix’ 1997
Last Cup Of Sorrow (Bigfoot And Wildboy Mix) 1997
Last Cup Of Sorrow (Rammstein Mix) 1997
Last Cup Of Sorrow (Sharam Versus FNM Club Mix) 1997
Last Cup Of Sorrow (Bonehead Mix) 1997
Last Cup Of Sorrow (Roli Mossimann Mix) 1997
She Loves Me Not (Spinna Main Mix) 1997
She Loves Me Not (Spinna Crazy Dub) 1997
Pristina (Billy Gould Mix) 1997
And not a minute too soon, here is something new for Patton and Kiedis to “fight” over:
http://www.rferl.org/content/transmission-pussy-riot-red-hot-chili-peppers-franz-ferdinand-support/24653735.html
The question on everyone’s minds is: Did Kiedis intentionally steal FNM’s thunder?
The question on MY mind is: Where was Pussy Riot when I needed them, several years ago? Why didn’t *I* think of donning a balaclava and trashing an Orthodox church or two with my friends when *I* was a media-friendly young, attractive woman? I could have protested Bush which would score points for irony as well.
Wow. Really Jeff? Anyway, sticking to facts, sorry you don’t want to enjoy listening to Greed II (the dance mix) on the Roddy demo (that is how it is labelled on the track). It exists and is pretty cool to listen to, being a dance mix and all. Haven’t you heard that I love techno? Can we keep this friendly? Olive branch, man, for whatever reason you hate me.
Wow… Benrun again exemplifies douchebag know it all!
Benrun:
“I’ve never heard of any ‘A Small Victory’ remixes other than the ones on the EP. I have a similar experience though with branching out to dance music through FNM, but for me it was a little earlier with the remixes off of the IY album (Chinese Arithmetic Kick and Scream Mix, Anne’s Song single Greed dance mix, all the We Care A Lot mixs)…but A Small Victory remixes were alot closer to Enigma and such…I also love the Engove Caffeine mix and Pristina mixes by Billy Gould.”
AND
“The dance mix of Greed is actually not on the Anne’s Song single, thats a different sounding 8-track, my bad. There is a different 8-track about the same length and then a dance mix of Greed called “Greed II” on the Roddy demos. That version of Greed is almost 9 minutes long. I always thought of that different take on Greed as pretty dancy though cuz Chuck is singing like a British invasion guy, kind of ala Mike Morris. The only single I really had from back in the day was the Chinese Arithmetic single on vinyl which had a dancy mix (Kick and Scream mix). If you don’t have the Roddy demo, you gotta get it….lots of great stuff on there.”
So basically he realized he was caught in a pretty unprovable lie he performs a massive back pedal to try to save his lame attempt at trying assert his superiority over the rest of us who didn’t into FNM as long ago as he did and only like the lame remixes THAT ACTUALLY EXIST!
thanks for the link, man.
Oh, and KingCol…nice interview, I had forgotten about that. So Roddy definitely agrees with you about Patton bringing some bungle into FNM! I got into Bungle after FNM when their first album came out, but only ever heard a strange band-mixing sound once…that was when Patton sang part of We Care A Lot in 91 in the same voice he sings in on the beginning of Dead Goon…the part “Nobler than Oedipus…clairvoyant and toothless” etc.
The dance mix of Greed is actually not on the Anne’s Song single, thats a different sounding 8-track, my bad. There is a different 8-track about the same length and then a dance mix of Greed called “Greed II” on the Roddy demos. That version of Greed is almost 9 minutes long. I always thought of that different take on Greed as pretty dancy though cuz Chuck is singing like a British invasion guy, kind of ala Mike Morris. The only single I really had from back in the day was the Chinese Arithmetic single on vinyl which had a dancy mix (Kick and Scream mix). If you don’t have the Roddy demo, you gotta get it….lots of great stuff on there. Here’s where I got it from…thank you to the Bungle Fever site:
http://bbs.bunglefever.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=52226
I don’t think the band ever said anything about the Chile show, I just know that it was supposed to be broadcast or webcast…and that would have been just as good a video as the Argentina and Brazil shows. So we know that it exists…I just want some nice Chilean to steal it for us and put a link on here!!!! While their at it…they can go find that guy in South America wherever he is that has the Courtney Love FNM footage from 84 and put that up here too!!!
Was there ever some sort of verification (from the band or similar) that there would ever be proshot video from the Chile 2010 show? I forgot. If so, maybe they can put it through the same creative pipeline as the Fantomas Directors Cut DVD – *that* would be interesting 🙂
KingCol – Thanks for being so thoughtful. I have seen this video before. I only believe in Pro shot…video and/or audio. So, although this is pretty cool…I want that Pro shot video!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAiH-KPTR6M&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Forgot to paste on last comment 🙂
Oh yeah ti-mort… Is this the vid u looking?
Faith No More-Absolute Zero (Chile)
I never heard the “greed dance mix” either..
An alternate recording is all i got..
Prob a white label
benrun, you know where I can listen to that Greed remix? never heard of that one before.
Heres an interesting interview i found while searching for those illusive remixes
http://www.negele.org/db/index.php?band=2&year=1993&month=1&day=27&id=815
I guess ur older than me so
KingCol,
I’ve never heard of any ‘A Small Victory’ remixes other than the ones on the EP. I have a similar experience though with branching out to dance music through FNM, but for me it was a little earlier with the remixes off of the IY album (Chinese Arithmetic Kick and Scream Mix, Anne’s Song single Greed dance mix, all the We Care A Lot mixs)…but A Small Victory remixes were alot closer to Enigma and such…I also love the Engove Caffeine mix and Pristina mixes by Billy Gould.
It was also the “youth” remix of a “small victory” that got me into dance music.. Wonder who’s idea that was?
Disco Volante is me fav bungle album,
Angel dust was my Favorite fnm album and for me has a distinctive bungle vibe to it..
Surprised more don’t hear that..
Ps does anyone remember the remix of A small victory with the kind of war screams and bomb samples used in it? It’s not on singles. Heard it on a pirate radio once..
Benrun….I want thatChile show very badly….just to see Absolute Zero with Trey!!!!
Yeah the links between the different trends of music sewn through the band has always been more obvious to me.. I can hear wot patton/bungle has brought to fnm.
The band being so open and diverse has always been a major attraction for me..
yeah man, any discussion regarding FNM is a good thing. this is the closest thing to an active FNM community I’ve seen for the 12 or so years that they’ve been my favorite band. I’d rather sit here and argue over the finer parts of their music and speculate over new material than things going dead and silent again.
Also Ti Mort…you and I just need to keep the rallying cry active for a bootleg for the Chile 2011 show….that thing exists out there somewhere!!!
Ti Mort…we’re just killing time. With everything that’s happened so far with this reunion, I agree with your earlier comment about being excited….no news is good news in FNM land!
these comments are becoming very tiresome…..let’s get on with it FNM….do it or don’t….but let’s fucking get it done. Christ!!!!!
The accessibility of California mixed with how much of that album was written by Patton gives it some places where I can hear what your saying, KingCol. But for me, FNM has always been defined by it’s rhythm section, so when I hear Mike singing on a Bungle song he wrote…all I really hear or think is Bungle. Even the stuff Billy has done with other bands, when you take hime away from Puffy, I don’t hear any FNM anymore. Those are the 2 elements that make or break the band for me, which is why they did the right thing in not trying to replace Puffy back in 98 when he wanted to go drum for Ozzy (which also doesn’t sound like FNM when you hear it live). Even bands who try to sound like them and play their songs don’t sound like them b/c Billy and Puffy play in somewhat rare ways.
Did no one notice I used CAPITALS on the word “SOME”… Ie some of there songs. I also gave a few examples..
Why are majority of comments making it a direct comparisment between two bands..
Also the album which is most has a slight resemblement is “California” which Patton had hand in majority of both lyrics and music Ie “sweet chariot”
I am tired of the charade! Will there be a new album or not! Damn it Billy! We need to know!!!!!!
Sonny – I never said Mr Bungle is in any way inferior to FNM. and I know it isn’t solely Patton’s brain child. but you have to agree that it lies more in line with Patton’s experimental nature than anything FNM has ever done, right? and that’s just what I meant, FNM was never so experimental that they tried out avant garde noise jazz, or mixed doo-wop and heavy metal in the same song. and I don’t want them to do that, because that’s not what FNM is about.
and yes, Patton was a huge influence on Angel Dust and the following albums, but he wasn’t in charge and it’s not like the band just listened to his crazy ideas, nodded and did what they were told. it was an album where everyone explored their more experimental sides. Patton may just have triggered everyone into doing it. if you look at the Angel Dust interviews, for example, it’s pretty clear that both Billy and Roddy are both into music outside of rock, and both of them wrote music for Angel Dust. either way, they found a middle road between rock/metal and experimentation. my point is simply that I want them to stay on that road and not stray too far to either side.
Mr. Bungle wasn’t a “Patton project.” Mr. Bungle was Mr. Bungle. Patton was one of the founding members way back in 85, but Trey and Trevor were the real musical forces behind Mr. Bungle; they were especially responsible for most of their work pre-California. Sure, it wouldn’t have been the same without Mike, but the fact is Mr. Bungle wasn’t just another inferior-to-FNM-Patton project.
And all that dark, heavy experimental work that ended up on Angel Dust, was due to Patton’s taste in music outside “rock”. The influence he had on that album also came from his Bungle roots, so that’s as far as I’ll go when comparing the two.
Seems I’m in the minority when it comes to disliking the “new song.” Seriously, if FNM go in that direction, which sounds similar to what they did in AOTY, a new album just doesn’t sound too exciting. Now I gotta wait till early next year for the new Tomahawk record, and Fantomas’ future is uncertain at this point. Oh well, if Patton has anything new coming up that’s worth it, his new album with Zorn is something I’m looking forward to.
Love FNM, the Angel Dust years were simply the best, but Patton is doing this solely for the money, money. He said it himself, there was no musical reason to reunite his “most” famous band.
Nothing intelligent to add here, just amused to find Simon and Garfunkel and Mr. Bungle mentioned in the same page of comments 🙂 Glad the interview was interesting.
@KingCol
I absolutely agree 🙂 and those FNM’s songs belong to my fave ones.
And I also agree with Jacob about the difference between Mr Bungle and FNM.
Still I don’t get why almost all of you write as if it was decided that there will be a new record??? I mean that’d be great and though I hope it will I don’t really count on it ;-/. The band rest in silence… (not to write in peace).
I think it’s dangerous to compare FNM to Mr Bungle too much though. they both have an eclectic feel to them, but while Mr Bungle is a complete mash-up of different styles, and experimentation with fucking up ordinary song-structures and getting different styles working within the same songs, FNM has rather focused to having a solid sound at the core and applying it on songs of varying styles. don’t know if that made sense, really 😛 but you could simplify it even more and say: FNM don’t fuck around with different styles within a song, and everything they do still sounds like FNM. Mr Bungle has no limits.
I love both bands, but I don’t want one mixed with the other. FNM can be weird in all sort of ways, but it can’t turn into an experimental Patton project.
I would really like more of “the world is yours”
“kindergarten”, “smaller and smaller”, “king for a day” etc.. I also think SOME of the mr bungle stuff isn’t a kick n the bollox away from SOME of the faith no more stuff..
Parts of Violenza Domestica would suit fnm along with “Goodbye Sober Day” and “Sweet Charity”
The band itself caters for the strange arrangements and samples with roddy on keyboards and puffy on drums..
It could be a handier album to tour and bring their music on a not so different but appreciated(fan wise) path
whatever they do, I hope they don’t forget their roots. “Matador” has captured that rather well, Bill and Puffy work that rhythm section like classic FNM. but I hope they continue in that vein. I want more Chinese Arithmetic, As The Worm Turns, Kindergarten, Everything’s Ruined, Midlife Crisis, Cuckoo For Caca, Why Do You Bother… dark, energetic, with pounding rhythms. I feel they somehow lost this on Album of The Year. I don’t want a slick rock album with some “weird” thrown in for effect.
I agree with the darker, but then again Bungle songs were always harder to put together for tour than FNM songs…so much instrumentation and quick cuts to rehearse.
Of course I would love a new album of original material, but I would also love it if they included the covers for Adje Jano and Qu He Sacado Con Quererte, I think both of those songs fit in well with The Mystery Song and would add a good international feel to an album. I think they are both traditional/public domain songs so licensing of them wouldn’t cost them anything.
Never was interested in any Paul Simon . Always kind of felt he raped garfunkel and left him on the side of the road.. Glad this interview out – confirms my suspicions bout him.. Plus the music is kind of dull for me..
Battle testing eh !! Matador eh?
I think if faith no more do a new album it would be in a whole new direction .. More darker less intense ie “smaller and smaller” or even more minimal.. Something easier to tour vocally..maybe a cross between bungle and fnm
Very cool insights in that Steve Berlin interview. I’d say just as entertaining as the Faith No More stuff is what he said about Paul Simon. A lot of his music has always annoyed the shit out of me for some reason, so I’m glad to hear he’s a dick (if Berlin is to be believed at least, but he seems like a pretty straight up guy).
@Ti MOrt
really??? And me it makes pissed off 🙁
The total lack of communication from the band makes me totally excited….I don’t know why!!!!
Great article; really excellent to have Puffy’s praises sung so highly as you just dont hear it enough…he is such an awesome drummer.
Really interesting about just how much of a bunch of perfectionists they were..and I guess we can assume that that will not have changed…how long has Matador been ‘burned in’ now guys? I seriously hope there is more to come from these boys, especially as my non-fan boyfriend is now hooked after taking him to the Hammersmith show and he really, really wants to see them again. Im lovin it! Just wish he got on board when this reunion started and we could have had a ball over the last couple of years.
Also wanted to mention how much I enjoyed Guano Padano at Hammersmith.
I commented on this article when Firsa put the link up…great interview and cool to know someone else’s perspective to what FNM put into their music. (I also like the idea of the band touring on some songs before trying to record them…look how much TRT songs intensified over the course of a tour and imagine how much better that album could have been if they had recorded it at the end of 91 instead of the beginning of 89???) But I just had to add…that if what he’s saying about Paul Simon is true, then what a dick he is! Makes me want to throw away a few albums and maybe check out more Los Lobos.